{"id":86293,"date":"2024-09-19T09:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-09-19T13:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/insideclimatenews.org\/?p=86293"},"modified":"2024-09-18T19:13:47","modified_gmt":"2024-09-18T23:13:47","slug":"inside-clean-energy-trump-debate-german-energy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/insideclimatenews.org\/news\/19092024\/inside-clean-energy-trump-debate-german-energy\/","title":{"rendered":"A Trump Debate Comment About German Energy Policy Leaves Germans Perplexed"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>In his closing statement at last week\u2019s presidential debate, Donald Trump made a blink-and-you-miss-it comment that earned a pointed response from the German government.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cYou believe in things like we&#8217;re not going to frack, we\u2019re not going to take fossil fuel, we\u2019re not going to do things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/Politics\/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript\/story?id=113560542\">he said<\/a> to his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris. \u201cGermany tried that and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For German audiences or anyone who has followed Germany\u2019s decades-long push to move away from fossil fuels and nuclear power, Trump\u2019s comments made little sense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They also showed the peculiar place Germany holds in global energy discourse, as an example that can be used to argue for or against just about anything. 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Coal will be off the grid by 2038 at the latest. PS: We also don\u2019t eat cats and dogs.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(That last part was a winking reference to Trump\u2019s unfounded comments about Springfield, Ohio, residents.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019ll note that the office\u2019s post has an error. While it refers to the energy system, the statistics it cites are for the electricity system, which is a subset of the energy system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Richard Grenell, the U.S. ambassador to Germany during Trump\u2019s presidency, responded to the office\u2019s comments with an apparent threat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cThe blatant election interference from the German government is worse than the Russian and Iranian interference,\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/RichardGrenell\/status\/1833892836896567348\">he said on X<\/a>. \u201cWe see this clearly and will react accordingly.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Anna L\u00fchrmann, Germany\u2019s minister of state for Europe and climate, also <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/AnnaLuehrmann\/status\/1834175066143425009\">offered an opinion<\/a>: \u201cContradiction with facts and humor\u2014that is the right answer to disinformation.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2020, I wrote <a href=\"https:\/\/insideclimatenews.org\/project\/power-switch-2\/\">a series of stories<\/a> about Germany\u2019s energy transition. To prepare for my reporting there, I read <a href=\"https:\/\/link.springer.com\/book\/10.1007\/978-3-319-31891-2\">Energy Democracy: Germany\u2019s Energiewende to Renewables<\/a> by Craig Morris and Arne Jungjohann. The authors argue the transition has roots in anti-nuclear protests in the 1970s. By the 2000s, Germany was a leader among the world\u2019s largest economies in embracing wind and solar power.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I got in touch with Morris this week to see what he thought of Trump\u2019s comments. Morris is a U.S. native who has spent most of his adult life working on and writing about energy policy in Germany.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cYou have to remember that energy is not just electricity,\u201d he said in a video call from Berlin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"592\" src=\"https:\/\/insideclimatenews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Craig-Morris-1000_dan-gearino-icn.jpg\" alt=\"Craig Morris co-authored &quot;Energy Democracy,&quot; a history of the German energy transition. Credit: Dan Gearino\/Inside Climate News\" class=\"wp-image-19203\" srcset=\"https:\/\/insideclimatenews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Craig-Morris-1000_dan-gearino-icn.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/insideclimatenews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Craig-Morris-1000_dan-gearino-icn-300x178.jpg 300w, https:\/\/insideclimatenews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/Craig-Morris-1000_dan-gearino-icn-768x455.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Craig Morris co-authored &#8220;Energy Democracy,&#8221; a history of the German energy transition. Credit: Dan Gearino\/Inside Climate News<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Germany\u2019s electricity system has made a steady shift from fossil fuels and nuclear to renewables. Wind, solar and other renewables were <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bdew.de\/service\/publikationen\/jahresbericht-energieversorgung\/\">54 percent<\/a> of the country\u2019s electricity generation last year, an increase from 24 percent in 2013, according to a German energy trade group. (For comparison, renewables were 21 percent of U.S. electricity generation last year, up from 13 percent in 2013, according to the Energy Information Administration.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But outside the electricity sector, Germany has struggled to make a shift away from fossil fuels, including on heating buildings and transportation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This brings us to Trump\u2019s comments about \u201cnormal energy plants.\u201d He doesn\u2019t define the term, but Morris guessed Trump could have confused gas-fired power plants with liquified natural gas terminals.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Natural gas is not a major fuel for power plants in Germany, but it is for heating buildings. The country got the majority of its natural gas from Russia but phased down those purchases in 2022 in response to Russia\u2019s invasion of Ukraine. To replace Russian gas, Germany is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cleanenergywire.org\/news\/construction-begins-controversial-onshore-lng-terminal-near-hamburg\">building LNG terminals<\/a> to process gas imports, including from the United States.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The construction of LNG terminals remains controversial in Germany, opposed by environmental advocates who would like to see the nation use cleaner fuels for heat rather than spend money to set up infrastructure for additional gas imports.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you squint, you can see how Trump may have been referring to LNG, a resource whose exports are a high priority for the U.S. oil and gas industry. But it\u2019s not clear what he meant. His campaign didn\u2019t respond to an email seeking clarification.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When he made the comment about German energy policy, Trump was trying to land an attack on Harris about fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, a process energy companies use to extract oil and gas from the earth. Harris said in 2019 she supported a ban on fracking but has since said that is no longer her position.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Trump argued that Harris\u2019 change of heart on fracking isn\u2019t genuine and she will try to ban it if she\u2019s elected president, which he hopes will resonate with voters in Pennsylvania, where fracking is big business. (This is puzzling because the president has limited authority to ban an industrial process like fracking.)<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"icn-donate-block\"><h3 class=\"block-title\">This story is funded by readers like you.<\/h3><p>Our nonprofit newsroom provides award-winning climate coverage free of charge and advertising. We rely on donations from readers like you to keep going. Please donate now to support our work.<\/p><a href=\"https:\/\/insideclimate.fundjournalism.org\/donate\/?amount=15&#038;campaign=7013a000003Bk97AAC&#038;frequency=monthly\" class=\"button button-red\" target=\"_blank\">Donate Now<\/a><\/div> <!-- \/.icn-donate-block -->\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m not sure why Trump decided to mention Germany, and his campaign isn\u2019t offering any explanations. But it\u2019s not surprising to Morris that U.S. politicians often miss the mark when they talk about German energy policy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cIt hasn\u2019t just been Republicans,\u201d he said. \u201cThere have been some very well-meaning Democrats who also completely get the picture wrong. That\u2019s why we write in our book that some of the renewables proponents vastly overstate the case.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He\u2019s referring to the way some advocates for renewable energy will point to Germany as a success story in a way that downplays or ignores the challenges and setbacks over the decades.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I learned from my reporting in Germany that the country\u2019s energy transition offers many lessons for the United States, but they aren\u2019t as simple as \u201crenewables good\u201d or \u201cnuclear bad\u201d or anything like that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The most useful lessons, in my view, are about how the energy transition needs to have an enduring political mandate, and how leaders must work constantly to affirm this mandate through ups and downs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For the United States to build a similar mandate, it needs to get to a point in which both major political parties support investment in renewables and action to reduce carbon emissions, and the debate is about how to execute it, not whether to do it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-dots\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p>Other stories about the energy transition to take note of this week:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Republican Support for the IRA Is Growing:<\/strong> House Republicans increasingly recognize that scrapping all the energy tax credits in the Inflation Reduction Act could be politically unpopular, as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eenews.net\/articles\/green-energy-credits-see-growing-republican-support\/\">Emma Dumain reports for E&amp;E News<\/a>. Seventeen House Republicans signed a letter in August urging House Speaker Mike Johnson to preserve the credits in any tax bill he may pursue next year. The Republicans don\u2019t want to jeopardize investments that have taken place or may be coming to their districts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Shuttered U.S. Nuclear Sites Could Be Repowered:<\/strong> The sites of operating or recently retired U.S. nuclear power plants could support up to 95 gigawatts of new capacity from newly built reactors, according to a report from the Department of Energy. The report also looked at the possibility of using current or former coal plant sites as locations to develop nuclear plants, as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.utilitydive.com\/news\/us-nuclear-coal-power-sites-could-host-up-to-269-gwe-of-new-nuclear-capaci\/727066\/\">Brian Martucci reports for Utility Dive<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Tesla Superchargers Finally Open To General Motors EVs:<\/strong> General Motors and Tesla have now opened about 18,000 chargers in the United States and Canada to Cadillac, Chevrolet and GMC vehicles, as <a href=\"https:\/\/insideevs.com\/news\/734171\/gm-evs-charge-tesla-superchargers\/\">Mack Hogan reports for InsideEVs<\/a>. This follows the opening of the Tesla Supercharger network last week to Ford and Rivian vehicles. Customers will need to get adapter hardware to be able to use the chargers. This is a major expansion of the charging infrastructure accessible for those brands.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ohio Steelmaker Considers Abandoning a $500 Million Biden Climate Grant:<\/strong> Cleveland-Cliffs, the Ohio-based steel company that is in line to receive a $500 million grant to build cleaner steel, is considering not accepting the money because of concerns that there is not enough demand from customers who would be willing to pay more for the product, as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/news\/2024\/09\/13\/steelmaker-biden-climate-grant-00179145\">Zack Colman reports for Politico<\/a>. The grant would pay for an overhaul at the Cleveland-Cliffs plant in Middletown, Ohio, the town where Republican vice presidential candidate J.D. Vance was raised. The development of new processes for making steel is essential for reducing emissions from industry.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>A Polluting, Coal-Fired Power Plant Found the Key to Solving a Clean Energy Challenge:<\/strong> The shutdown of a coal-fired power plant in Minnesota has allowed for the fast development of a solar array because the new project is able to use the coal plant\u2019s grid connection and avoid years of waiting for a new connection, as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2024\/09\/16\/climate\/coal-to-solar-minnesota\/index.html\">Ella Nilsen and Bill Weir report for CNN<\/a>. The experience in Becker, Minnesota, shows a potential shortcut for new projects that could be set up near ones that are going offline and use some of their infrastructure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/insideclimatenews.org\/tags\/inside-clean-energy\"><em>Inside Clean Energy<\/em><\/a><em>\u00a0is ICN\u2019s weekly bulletin of news and analysis about the energy transition. 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